[WM/H] Live And Let Fly: List Building

I’m off to Ross in a few weeks’ time for a charity tournament at which I’d been intending to give the Circle their first outing.  However, the second bout of learning games (against Stu’s Dwarfs, again, and then against Nik ‘Largi’ Topham’s Trollblood swarm) made it pretty clear to me that my collection isn’t best suited to 25 point games.  I tend to see opposing lists with either two or three units, which do well owing to the economies of scale that appear in spellcasting on units, and their ability to spread out and create layers of threat range, ensuring that they can grab huge tracts of land in scenario play.  The current list doesn’t have enough bodies to spread out and take areas being held by those sorts of numbers and or enough attacks on a wide enough frontage to clear them – not enough boys or toys.  I’m sure I could put together a Circle list that can deal with or do that at 25 points but I’m not sure I can do it with the Circle models I own.

So I’m taking the Cryx to Ross, I think.  Given that I’ve been held hostage by superior numbers so often, I think I’m going to opt for an uncharacteristic approach and take lots of dudes; hopefully I’ll be able to activate them all and manage the lanes of movement properly.  Failing that, I’ll just spread ’em wide and deep and let the enemy sort ’em out.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Asphyxious – Scavengers of the Line
Name: Asphyxious’ Swarm
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25
Tiers: 1

Iron Lich Asphyxious (*6pts)
* Slayer (6pts)

Bane Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
Bile Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Mechanithralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (5pts)
* 2 Brute Thrall (2pts)
Necrosurgeon & 3 Stitch Thralls (2pts)

Why a Slayer?  Because it costs six points and has a large enough base to be interposed between Asphyxious and the enemy.  Everything else is fairly self-explanatory; advance deploying Mechanithralls to rush scenario areas and entrench, Banes and Biles following up to counter-charge with Asphyxious mainly handing out Scything Touch and staying safe.  Bit worried about the lack of arc nodes but he has enough focus to upkeep Scything Touch, cast Parasite with a boost to hit and then Shadow Wings to safety so I’m not too concerned.

It’s tempting to make the second list a metal-heavy Tier 4 variant in case my brain falls out and I decide that I need a break from activating thirty-four models a turn.  I do like the upper reaches of Asphyxious’ Tier list and I have had fun throwing all those Scrap Thralls about in the past.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Asphyxious – Scavengers of the Line
Name: Asphyxious’ Metal
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25
Tiers: 4

Iron Lich Asphyxious (*6pts)
* Cankerworm (5pts)
* Reaper (7pts)
* Seether (9pts)
* Slayer (5pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)

Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)

However, the instinct to take a list that debuffs and controls rather than wrecking face is also strong in me and so I’m contemplating my other Prime caster.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Name: Deneghra Swarm
Casters: 1/1
Points: 25/25

Warwitch Deneghra (*5pts)
* Ripjaw (5pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)

Bane Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
Mechanithralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (3pts)
* 2 Brute Thrall (2pts)
Necrosurgeon & 3 Stitch Thralls (2pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
3 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Just a question of narrowing it down, I suppose.  It’s that or the two Epic Skarre lists I trialled earlier in the year; one with the Revenants and Satyxis for numbers, one with the solos for control and more careful play.  Shame I don’t own pSkarre: she’d be worth a go if I’m trying for the horde approach.

Author: Jon

Sententious, mercurial, and British as a bilious lord. Recovering Goth, lifelong spod. Former teacher and amateur machine politician, now freelance writer and early-career researcher.

2 thoughts on “[WM/H] Live And Let Fly: List Building”

  1. Having played with the cryx a little bit now, I feel a little more qualified to make comments now I know what the hell stuff does!

    – List 1: I like the look of this

    – List 2: All those jacks will make it a solid powerhouse. to rip anyone apart. Why do you take 3 Necotechs? if you are planning on getting the scrappers from the tier wreck markers would it not be better to get the guaranteed 3 for 1pc? Then just take 1 Necrotech?

    -List: Everything all makes a lot of sense. To me, the Warwitch doesnt seem to have a lot to offer. She has Venom, so does Denny. She can give a focus to a jack. There is only 1 jack. She has Shadow Bind. So does Denny, and the jack can de-buff def. I am not 100% sure what else to take, maybe the Skarlock for the ‘triple-dip’, or de-wulf, or Orrick for Pathfinder.

  2. 1 – Thanks, man: that’s the one that was designed with scenarios in mind and I’m glad you like it. The one thing I’m having trouble with is deciding to go for two Helldivers or a Slayer, but I figured a ‘jack that could stand in front of Asphyxious would be nice.

    2 – With so many ‘jacks on the board I want more than one model with Repair and I want to put Repair out in more than one place if I can. I also tend to find that I forget to activate Necrotechs, or that one gets killed, or they’re a bit too slow to quite get to where they’re needed. Having three is sort of an insurance policy. I still get three Scrappers for turning up and I can make up to twenty-one from the wrecks. It is tempting to trade out one for three Scrap Thralls, though; that gives me five on the board at deployment.

    3 – She’s there mostly because I find Deneghra very easy to starve of focus (two upkeeps, one useful buff, a 4 focus offensive spell that needs boosting to hit and an arc node that wants to run or boost attack rolls) and I’d like to be able to Venom without putting Deneghra out on the line. An extra focus for my free Dark Industries ‘jack (if I ever get one…) would be nice as well. I already have a Skarlock in that list, too. Di Wulf is tempting, although I don’t tend to include him very often because I haven’t got his Mark II card yet (the shame!). I’ll try it out with him in and see what happens.

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